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		<title>By: IT_Architect</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-53852</link>
		<dc:creator>IT_Architect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UAC was long overdue.  Most operating systems have had the equivalent for years.  Vista&#039;s mission was to be made more resistant to today&#039;s threats.  Many say you cannot support that, but it should be, and a necessary piece to get them there.  Windows 7&#039;s mission on the other hand was to fix Windows scalability issues with the kernel and locking.  That is also be the core for 2008 R2, which will release at the same time as Windows 7.

Vista started life with great anticipation, 5 years worth, LOTS of promotion, and all of the advantages of any new OS that Microsoft delivers.  Everybody wants the coolest and the latest, thus Vista received better treatment than it deserved.  The Mojave example is simply damage control.  Vista with SP1 is a different animal.  Moreover, before Vista shipped, you could have gotten the same acceptance by the same people.  It&#039;s when Vista hit the business world with the problems it had, that it soured the Vista name.  Vista had worn out its welcome by the time SP1 came out. 

We are an IT Support organization, and Vista is a cash cow.  We watched this unfold in corporate America.  This is a cut and paste of the Dell headlines for their business desktops:
&quot;Get Genuine Windows Vista Business Bonus with Windows XP Professional INSTALLED: FREE with Vostro 4-series Desktops and $99 with Vostro 2-series Desktops&quot;  It is impossible to make a case for Vista being a success when you have and entire market segment paying a premium to get the 6 1/2 year-old operating system more than 2 years after the release of the new one.  It took a lot of pain somewhere to overcome people&#039;s pride to make that happen.  We support a smaller percentage of Vista machines than a year ago.

I also disagree with the inference that that people disenchanted with Vista don&#039;t plan to jump ship.  They have left in droves for the MAC.  MAC likes to take credit for that with their Intel series, but their super salesman&#039;s name is Vista.  Why else would someone pay more for an iMac?  Look at their meteoric increase in market share.

Release like this happen with any OS.  I expect Windows 7 roll out will go much better.  It&#039;s also what a lot of corporate America is waiting for who skipped Vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UAC was long overdue.  Most operating systems have had the equivalent for years.  Vista&#8217;s mission was to be made more resistant to today&#8217;s threats.  Many say you cannot support that, but it should be, and a necessary piece to get them there.  Windows 7&#8217;s mission on the other hand was to fix Windows scalability issues with the kernel and locking.  That is also be the core for 2008 R2, which will release at the same time as Windows 7.</p>
<p>Vista started life with great anticipation, 5 years worth, LOTS of promotion, and all of the advantages of any new OS that Microsoft delivers.  Everybody wants the coolest and the latest, thus Vista received better treatment than it deserved.  The Mojave example is simply damage control.  Vista with SP1 is a different animal.  Moreover, before Vista shipped, you could have gotten the same acceptance by the same people.  It&#8217;s when Vista hit the business world with the problems it had, that it soured the Vista name.  Vista had worn out its welcome by the time SP1 came out. </p>
<p>We are an IT Support organization, and Vista is a cash cow.  We watched this unfold in corporate America.  This is a cut and paste of the Dell headlines for their business desktops:<br />
&#8220;Get Genuine Windows Vista Business Bonus with Windows XP Professional INSTALLED: FREE with Vostro 4-series Desktops and $99 with Vostro 2-series Desktops&#8221;  It is impossible to make a case for Vista being a success when you have and entire market segment paying a premium to get the 6 1/2 year-old operating system more than 2 years after the release of the new one.  It took a lot of pain somewhere to overcome people&#8217;s pride to make that happen.  We support a smaller percentage of Vista machines than a year ago.</p>
<p>I also disagree with the inference that that people disenchanted with Vista don&#8217;t plan to jump ship.  They have left in droves for the MAC.  MAC likes to take credit for that with their Intel series, but their super salesman&#8217;s name is Vista.  Why else would someone pay more for an iMac?  Look at their meteoric increase in market share.</p>
<p>Release like this happen with any OS.  I expect Windows 7 roll out will go much better.  It&#8217;s also what a lot of corporate America is waiting for who skipped Vista.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-53652</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 05:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregory,
You may be under a mistaken impression about how easy it is to recompile something like Vista.

More importantly, what you are asking for is another version, one without the ability to play Blu-ray discs, and thus not subject to the licensing requirements that compel something like UAC.  (By the way, this is not the party-line, it is a fact.  Any computer system whether Windows, Mac, Unix, or other that wants to include the ability to play Blu-ray DVDs must comply with the rules of those who own the various copyrights, trademarks, and patents on Blu-ray.  To do otherwise would be the same thing as putting the full text of all the Steven King novels in the My Documents folder without asking or buying the rights.  Lawsuit = big penalty.  )

Considering there is already Vista Home Basic, Vista Home Premium, Vista Business, and Vista Ultimate that might be pushing it.  While I understand that there are those who only need a small set of features to run on a lean system, I just don&#039;t think there is much of a market for Vista Home Basic Non-blu-ray Edition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory,<br />
You may be under a mistaken impression about how easy it is to recompile something like Vista.</p>
<p>More importantly, what you are asking for is another version, one without the ability to play Blu-ray discs, and thus not subject to the licensing requirements that compel something like UAC.  (By the way, this is not the party-line, it is a fact.  Any computer system whether Windows, Mac, Unix, or other that wants to include the ability to play Blu-ray DVDs must comply with the rules of those who own the various copyrights, trademarks, and patents on Blu-ray.  To do otherwise would be the same thing as putting the full text of all the Steven King novels in the My Documents folder without asking or buying the rights.  Lawsuit = big penalty.  )</p>
<p>Considering there is already Vista Home Basic, Vista Home Premium, Vista Business, and Vista Ultimate that might be pushing it.  While I understand that there are those who only need a small set of features to run on a lean system, I just don&#8217;t think there is much of a market for Vista Home Basic Non-blu-ray Edition.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Krohne</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-53319</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Krohne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler,
The UAC is software that can be turned on or off. Not so with Vista Content Protection; it&#039;s written into the core OS elements. The only way to &quot;turn off&quot; Vista Content Protection would be to recompile Windows without it. Of course, such measures are beyond you and me, but easily within Microsoft&#039;s means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler,<br />
The UAC is software that can be turned on or off. Not so with Vista Content Protection; it&#8217;s written into the core OS elements. The only way to &#8220;turn off&#8221; Vista Content Protection would be to recompile Windows without it. Of course, such measures are beyond you and me, but easily within Microsoft&#8217;s means.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-53140</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 23:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they planned to remove uac in windows 7 and re added it because of security.... Gregory Krohne if you do not like it turn it off......

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090206/microsoft-changes-windows-7-uac-control/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they planned to remove uac in windows 7 and re added it because of security&#8230;. Gregory Krohne if you do not like it turn it off&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090206/microsoft-changes-windows-7-uac-control/" rel="nofollow">http://www.istartedsomething.com/20090206/microsoft-changes-windows-7-uac-control/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Krohne</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-53104</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Krohne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian,
I understand the Microsoft party line. I&#039;m sure we&#039;ve both read the arguments on each side. I don&#039;t need Vista Content Protection, and I don&#039;t want it running in my operating system. On a netbook-scale computer, it&#039;s a completely unwelcome feature, using up scarce resources to prevent the hardware from doing something it&#039;s already incapable of doing. I realize that Microsoft has a big investment and mind share behind the current approach, so I&#039;m willing to wait indefinitely for Microsoft to release a version of Windows without Vista Content Protection. In the meantime, I&#039;ve got Windows XP (32-bit and 64-bit), and perhaps Linux with Wine or with virtualization. If enough people feel the same way, I feel sure Microsoft will eventually release a Windows version that meets our needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
I understand the Microsoft party line. I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;ve both read the arguments on each side. I don&#8217;t need Vista Content Protection, and I don&#8217;t want it running in my operating system. On a netbook-scale computer, it&#8217;s a completely unwelcome feature, using up scarce resources to prevent the hardware from doing something it&#8217;s already incapable of doing. I realize that Microsoft has a big investment and mind share behind the current approach, so I&#8217;m willing to wait indefinitely for Microsoft to release a version of Windows without Vista Content Protection. In the meantime, I&#8217;ve got Windows XP (32-bit and 64-bit), and perhaps Linux with Wine or with virtualization. If enough people feel the same way, I feel sure Microsoft will eventually release a Windows version that meets our needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-53063</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 04:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of problems I see with what people have said here:

1)Device support Microsoft is not responsible to make a driver for another companies product or device. And forcing companies to make better drivers is a good thing something they did learn from apple.

2)Vista dose provide better security power management and time saving features that provide great ROI.

3)Vista runs fine on my desktop and it’s not a ultra high end or very tweaked computer

4)Yes it’s nice to have people show you or give you step by step instructions with pictures that are the reason we use train signal……

5)Yes the hardware requirements are high but would you buy the newest far cry or halo or unreal tournament game and not expect to upgrade? At work I had to upgrade an older computer to run the newest QuickBooks.

6)If you had 5 years instead of the normal 3 to upgrade your pc to meet the requirements for something and the prices are the lowest I have ever seen what is the problem?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of problems I see with what people have said here:</p>
<p>1)Device support Microsoft is not responsible to make a driver for another companies product or device. And forcing companies to make better drivers is a good thing something they did learn from apple.</p>
<p>2)Vista dose provide better security power management and time saving features that provide great ROI.</p>
<p>3)Vista runs fine on my desktop and it’s not a ultra high end or very tweaked computer</p>
<p>4)Yes it’s nice to have people show you or give you step by step instructions with pictures that are the reason we use train signal……</p>
<p>5)Yes the hardware requirements are high but would you buy the newest far cry or halo or unreal tournament game and not expect to upgrade? At work I had to upgrade an older computer to run the newest QuickBooks.</p>
<p>6)If you had 5 years instead of the normal 3 to upgrade your pc to meet the requirements for something and the prices are the lowest I have ever seen what is the problem?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52942</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregory,
You are right that no one wanted Vista Content Protection.

You are incorrect about being able to force it.  The Blu-ray license requires some kind of protection feature like this one.  If you want to develop software or hardware capable of playing Blu-ray discs, you have to get a license and a key.

So, Microsoft&#039;s other choice was to make Vista incapable of playing Blu-ray.  Can you imagine the complaints about that when users found out that they can only play their old non-state of the art movie DVDs on their laptop?

Want to know what is worse?  Something just like this is built into the hardware of new MONITORS too!  

http://www.blu-raydisc.info/index.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory,<br />
You are right that no one wanted Vista Content Protection.</p>
<p>You are incorrect about being able to force it.  The Blu-ray license requires some kind of protection feature like this one.  If you want to develop software or hardware capable of playing Blu-ray discs, you have to get a license and a key.</p>
<p>So, Microsoft&#8217;s other choice was to make Vista incapable of playing Blu-ray.  Can you imagine the complaints about that when users found out that they can only play their old non-state of the art movie DVDs on their laptop?</p>
<p>Want to know what is worse?  Something just like this is built into the hardware of new MONITORS too!  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.blu-raydisc.info/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.blu-raydisc.info/index.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Krohne</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52611</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Krohne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 20:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Vista and Windows 7 still contain Vista Content Protection, a feature that no user wanted, and which Hollywood couldn&#039;t have forced in its wildest dreams. Vista Content Protection creates lock-in at the software and hardware level, making computers more expensive for all of us in the long run. Here&#039;s the problem:

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html

And Microsoft&#039;s response? Too bad, so sad:

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vista and Windows 7 still contain Vista Content Protection, a feature that no user wanted, and which Hollywood couldn&#8217;t have forced in its wildest dreams. Vista Content Protection creates lock-in at the software and hardware level, making computers more expensive for all of us in the long run. Here&#8217;s the problem:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html</a></p>
<p>And Microsoft&#8217;s response? Too bad, so sad:</p>
<p><a href="http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/windowsvista/archive/2007/01/20/windows-vista-content-protection-twenty-questions-and-answers.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52605</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an entire IT department, I&#039;ve had several opportunities to look at Vista, from the beta versions through the RC and to the final released product. I have 2 problems with sll of them. 

It&#039;s a resource hog for starters. 1 GB memory is the minimum, and that will get you slow performance. The disk space requirements are also large, but if you are going to spend the cash for an OS upgrade then another $50 or $100 for a new disk isn&#039;t that bad. Plus you&#039;ll have a new--and maybe faster--disk.

My real problem, though, is that you have to relearn how to do EVERYTHING. I ended up feeling like one of the users where I work; every time I tried to do anything other than open something on the desktop, I had to search. Remove a program that I don&#039;t need? Previous versions of Windows were all the same from W95: go to Add/Remove programs and there you are. Vista renamed it something else and you had to search for it. What was the point in that? And pretty much EVERYTHING I do, all day long, was the same. 

It seems like they believe that you wouldn&#039;t think you were getting your money&#039;s worth if you didn&#039;t have to stumble around trying to do simple, everyday tasks.

All of the systems we&#039;ve bought in the last year have had the downgrade to XP installed. A few users (who were delighted with the performance of their new computer) decided they wanted to try Vista. We did the upgrade and everyone of them had us switch them back; it was too slow and they couldn&#039;t find anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an entire IT department, I&#8217;ve had several opportunities to look at Vista, from the beta versions through the RC and to the final released product. I have 2 problems with sll of them. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a resource hog for starters. 1 GB memory is the minimum, and that will get you slow performance. The disk space requirements are also large, but if you are going to spend the cash for an OS upgrade then another $50 or $100 for a new disk isn&#8217;t that bad. Plus you&#8217;ll have a new&#8211;and maybe faster&#8211;disk.</p>
<p>My real problem, though, is that you have to relearn how to do EVERYTHING. I ended up feeling like one of the users where I work; every time I tried to do anything other than open something on the desktop, I had to search. Remove a program that I don&#8217;t need? Previous versions of Windows were all the same from W95: go to Add/Remove programs and there you are. Vista renamed it something else and you had to search for it. What was the point in that? And pretty much EVERYTHING I do, all day long, was the same. </p>
<p>It seems like they believe that you wouldn&#8217;t think you were getting your money&#8217;s worth if you didn&#8217;t have to stumble around trying to do simple, everyday tasks.</p>
<p>All of the systems we&#8217;ve bought in the last year have had the downgrade to XP installed. A few users (who were delighted with the performance of their new computer) decided they wanted to try Vista. We did the upgrade and everyone of them had us switch them back; it was too slow and they couldn&#8217;t find anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Noli San Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Noli San Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Windows 7 = Windows Vista vNext. If you install Windows 7 and click the link on the bottom left to see the readme text, you will see that it mentions Windows Vista not Windows 7.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows 7 = Windows Vista vNext. If you install Windows 7 and click the link on the bottom left to see the readme text, you will see that it mentions Windows Vista not Windows 7.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52586</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 14:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After 2 years and all the smoke the issue is but one thing. &quot;Change&quot;.  Before &quot;Change&quot; is accepted you have to see that something will be better, that is simple human nature. It is OK to like Vista if you do, I don&#039;t, and most of several hundred users on my network don&#039;t, there just simply is no need to go through the change, no gain for the pain. Vista from the business point of view brings nothing to the table to improve productivity. There is no ROI, only cost and lost productivity during an extended transition. I did my own Mojave Experiment and sat two users down, one with Vista, the other with a popular Linux Distro, with no training. The Vista user gave up by noon (said I don&#039;t have time for this, I have work to do), the Linux user, although frustrated with the change was productive by the end of the day. The Mojave Experiment is flawed. It Pros prepaired systems for these people and set them down in a controlled envioprment. Give those same people Vista in a box, the way most people will get it and the results would be very different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After 2 years and all the smoke the issue is but one thing. &#8220;Change&#8221;.  Before &#8220;Change&#8221; is accepted you have to see that something will be better, that is simple human nature. It is OK to like Vista if you do, I don&#8217;t, and most of several hundred users on my network don&#8217;t, there just simply is no need to go through the change, no gain for the pain. Vista from the business point of view brings nothing to the table to improve productivity. There is no ROI, only cost and lost productivity during an extended transition. I did my own Mojave Experiment and sat two users down, one with Vista, the other with a popular Linux Distro, with no training. The Vista user gave up by noon (said I don&#8217;t have time for this, I have work to do), the Linux user, although frustrated with the change was productive by the end of the day. The Mojave Experiment is flawed. It Pros prepaired systems for these people and set them down in a controlled envioprment. Give those same people Vista in a box, the way most people will get it and the results would be very different.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Nelson</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52536</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Nelson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 04:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
Re: Moving forward the release date of Windows 7.  
That is exactly the point.  Windows 7 is so close on the heels of Vista that it could have been Vista 2.0 (which I will bet money was the original plan).  But, instead, Microsoft is dumping the Vista name in order to release Windows 7 precisely because people will give it a different chance than they would have if it were Vista 2.0.  In fact, that may be why they chose the name.  &quot;Oh, this has nothing to do with Vista, this is WINDOWS.  You remember Windows, right?  You liked it.  You&#039;ll like this one too.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
Re: Moving forward the release date of Windows 7.<br />
That is exactly the point.  Windows 7 is so close on the heels of Vista that it could have been Vista 2.0 (which I will bet money was the original plan).  But, instead, Microsoft is dumping the Vista name in order to release Windows 7 precisely because people will give it a different chance than they would have if it were Vista 2.0.  In fact, that may be why they chose the name.  &#8220;Oh, this has nothing to do with Vista, this is WINDOWS.  You remember Windows, right?  You liked it.  You&#8217;ll like this one too.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52529</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 01:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, I have ti disagree with some of what you had to say here.  Windows 7 has been in dev for a LONG time! Much longer than most people realize. I have done a lot of work with it, setting up test servers and topologies. It&#039;s a great OS, and while it is based on Vista, there are some very significant changes under the hood. How do I know? Because I have been a contractor at Microsoft for many years. 

What a lot of people don&#039;t realize is that Vista was an incredible OS before Microsoft was forced to separate out all the libraries due to that Anti Trust suit. Not to mention the problems with drivers. Granted, most of the problems were the fault of MS, and believe me when I say, MS has learned a lot from these troubles. Win 7 is a great OS, and I hope that people give it a shot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, I have ti disagree with some of what you had to say here.  Windows 7 has been in dev for a LONG time! Much longer than most people realize. I have done a lot of work with it, setting up test servers and topologies. It&#8217;s a great OS, and while it is based on Vista, there are some very significant changes under the hood. How do I know? Because I have been a contractor at Microsoft for many years. </p>
<p>What a lot of people don&#8217;t realize is that Vista was an incredible OS before Microsoft was forced to separate out all the libraries due to that Anti Trust suit. Not to mention the problems with drivers. Granted, most of the problems were the fault of MS, and believe me when I say, MS has learned a lot from these troubles. Win 7 is a great OS, and I hope that people give it a shot.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52517</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 22:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First I should say that generally speaking I do like Vista.  My issue is with device support.  When I first purchased my laptop with Vista, I attempted to help a friend back up a computer using a usb/ide adapter.  Vista didn&#039;t know what to do with it!  I had to revert to an XP system (which supported the adapter out of the box) to do the backup.  By not supporting these devices out of the box with Vista, Microsoft shot themselves in the foot.  

Let&#039;s set the way back machine for the days of Windows 3.1.  Does anyone remember IBM&#039;s OS/2 &quot;WARP&quot; OS?  It was a far faster and more stable operating system them Windows in those days, but it suffered a painful death because it lacked driver support.  Does Microsoft really want to repeat the mistakes of the past?  Lets hope they learned their lesson and that Windows 7 fixes the mistakes of Vista.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First I should say that generally speaking I do like Vista.  My issue is with device support.  When I first purchased my laptop with Vista, I attempted to help a friend back up a computer using a usb/ide adapter.  Vista didn&#8217;t know what to do with it!  I had to revert to an XP system (which supported the adapter out of the box) to do the backup.  By not supporting these devices out of the box with Vista, Microsoft shot themselves in the foot.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s set the way back machine for the days of Windows 3.1.  Does anyone remember IBM&#8217;s OS/2 &#8220;WARP&#8221; OS?  It was a far faster and more stable operating system them Windows in those days, but it suffered a painful death because it lacked driver support.  Does Microsoft really want to repeat the mistakes of the past?  Lets hope they learned their lesson and that Windows 7 fixes the mistakes of Vista.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52512</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 21:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was nothing wrong with Windows Vista, I have used Vista since the beta stage and Windows Xp can not even compare with Vista in terms of stability and ease of use. Do you need to add more memory and run it on newer hardware than Xp yes you do but hardware is cheap. People seem to forget how much everyone hated Xp and all the problems Windows 95 had when it first came out. 

The fact is most people hate change and don&#039;t want to have to learn anything new or different. No one says they have to use Vista but you can&#039;t expect Microsoft to continue to support old software forever. Xp is over 7 years old now and Vista is now over 2 years old so stop complaining and start living in the 21st century. 

Windows 7 is even better than Vista, but people who think that it is going to be like Xp are going to be upset because it is based on Vista code so you are going to have to upgrade any software that would not run on Vista so just deal with it people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was nothing wrong with Windows Vista, I have used Vista since the beta stage and Windows Xp can not even compare with Vista in terms of stability and ease of use. Do you need to add more memory and run it on newer hardware than Xp yes you do but hardware is cheap. People seem to forget how much everyone hated Xp and all the problems Windows 95 had when it first came out. </p>
<p>The fact is most people hate change and don&#8217;t want to have to learn anything new or different. No one says they have to use Vista but you can&#8217;t expect Microsoft to continue to support old software forever. Xp is over 7 years old now and Vista is now over 2 years old so stop complaining and start living in the 21st century. </p>
<p>Windows 7 is even better than Vista, but people who think that it is going to be like Xp are going to be upset because it is based on Vista code so you are going to have to upgrade any software that would not run on Vista so just deal with it people!</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52497</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I have to disagree about Win7 being the result of the Mojave &quot;experiment&quot;.  You&#039;ll notice that they&#039;ve already bumped the release date FORWARD on it.  Win7 is the result of Vista&#039;s pitiful reception in the market.  MS needs to regroup and come back strong... they&#039;re laboring under an ugly cloud of failure right now that needs to be turned around.  Until they do, all the jest and jeers of the internet trolls holds way too much sway to be ignored (justified or not).

The good news is that they seem to finally be taking notes from the successful parts of the various *nix systems, and Apple.  Eyecandy is important, but it couldn&#039;t sell Vista.  Having things &quot;just work&quot; is more important, and many people want to pick-and-choose functionality.  

The new taskbar will be impressive, but more impressive will be a completely reworked UAC system, corrections in usability in the UI (seriously, more than 3 clicks for Wifi?), and more granular control of what your system does and doesn&#039;t have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I have to disagree about Win7 being the result of the Mojave &#8220;experiment&#8221;.  You&#8217;ll notice that they&#8217;ve already bumped the release date FORWARD on it.  Win7 is the result of Vista&#8217;s pitiful reception in the market.  MS needs to regroup and come back strong&#8230; they&#8217;re laboring under an ugly cloud of failure right now that needs to be turned around.  Until they do, all the jest and jeers of the internet trolls holds way too much sway to be ignored (justified or not).</p>
<p>The good news is that they seem to finally be taking notes from the successful parts of the various *nix systems, and Apple.  Eyecandy is important, but it couldn&#8217;t sell Vista.  Having things &#8220;just work&#8221; is more important, and many people want to pick-and-choose functionality.  </p>
<p>The new taskbar will be impressive, but more impressive will be a completely reworked UAC system, corrections in usability in the UI (seriously, more than 3 clicks for Wifi?), and more granular control of what your system does and doesn&#8217;t have.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52496</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s weird, I did see a ton of TV Ads about the &quot;Mojave Experiment&quot;.  Chicagoland area.

I have to agree about the testing scenario though.  How does one evaluate the fitness of an OS for everyday use by watching someone else demo it in front of you?  The problems with Vista are (or were) show-stopping... and the bulk of them had to do with everyday use, upgrading, ridiculous required hardware specs, etc.  None of these would rear their ugly head during a demo to someone who barely knows what they&#039;re looking at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s weird, I did see a ton of TV Ads about the &#8220;Mojave Experiment&#8221;.  Chicagoland area.</p>
<p>I have to agree about the testing scenario though.  How does one evaluate the fitness of an OS for everyday use by watching someone else demo it in front of you?  The problems with Vista are (or were) show-stopping&#8230; and the bulk of them had to do with everyday use, upgrading, ridiculous required hardware specs, etc.  None of these would rear their ugly head during a demo to someone who barely knows what they&#8217;re looking at.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52494</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wholeheartedly agree. In the server realm they are called R2s. Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista R2 and I like it. But then again I, my wife and two teenagers like and use Vista with no problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wholeheartedly agree. In the server realm they are called R2s. Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista R2 and I like it. But then again I, my wife and two teenagers like and use Vista with no problems.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.trainsignaltraining.com/microsofts-windows-vista-mojave-experiments-real-result/2009-02-05/comment-page-1/#comment-52491</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Feb 2009 19:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been using Windows Vista since Consumer Technology Preview version 1, and it was more stable than Windows xp and ran extremely well, in 1 GB of RAM installed on the notebook. My printer worked with the computer, it was a wireless printer. All of my USB devices worked out of the box. I have been using computers since 1986 and have used various operating systems, in all of that time and experience, Windows Vista is one of the best operating systems and is by far the easiest operating system to use. I used to want to own a Macintosh until I owned one. After I thanked God for allowing me to dump that Apple Macintosh system for what I had in it, I never looked back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been using Windows Vista since Consumer Technology Preview version 1, and it was more stable than Windows xp and ran extremely well, in 1 GB of RAM installed on the notebook. My printer worked with the computer, it was a wireless printer. All of my USB devices worked out of the box. I have been using computers since 1986 and have used various operating systems, in all of that time and experience, Windows Vista is one of the best operating systems and is by far the easiest operating system to use. I used to want to own a Macintosh until I owned one. After I thanked God for allowing me to dump that Apple Macintosh system for what I had in it, I never looked back.</p>
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